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Tue, Mar. 14th, 2006, 08:43 pm
[GT, psych] Avidity, Giftedness and the Classroom

I've been thinking some more about avidity as a personal trait, and I had a bit of a Eureka. (There was a bath involved and everything.)

Sometimes very subtle reframings can have very big practical consequences. I'd like to share one that may be very useful for people who have to deal with issues of GT kids.

Let's start by evoking the standard stereotypes/archetypes of gifted kids here. All of 'em. Bring them to mind so I can point something out about them.

Let's imagine four 5th graders.

Anne is a perfectly normal student. Her grades wind up in the middle of the pack. She is well liked by her peers. When the teacher asks a question, she is somewhat reluctant to put up her hand; she is very self-conscious about the risk of making a wrong answer before her peers. She's into playing with dolls, talking on the phone to her friends, and playing jump rope on the playground. The teacher thinks she's a lovely student; she is the kind of student the teacher imagined teaching when she decided she wanted to be a teacher.

Betty is flamboyantly gifted. She has been measured as having an IQ of 150. She either gets effortless As or blows off her assignments completely. She usually has her hand up first and has even corrected the teacher once. She is academically fearless, eagerly throwing herself into projects which turn out to be way over her head. She gets along with her peers approximately not at all; they frequently charge her with being a "teacher's pet", "know-it-all", and "geek". The hostility of her peers has lately been blossoming into full-fledged interpersonal violence. She reads recreationally. She is always "into" some topic or another, if not several, from dinosaurs to astronauts to medieval history to edible plants to crochet. The teacher finds her very taxing and insecurity-provoking: Betty makes the teacher question her own abilities as a teacher. The teacher finds herself dreading Betty's reaction in class to the new material the teacher presents.

Carol is a quiet student who sits towards the back. She is often characterized by teachers as "sensitive" because she is constantly drawing or writing poetry. Her grades are Bs and Cs. She never puts her hand up in class, and often when directly called on, she was gazing out the window, spacing out. Her fellow students, whom she avoids, call her a "space cadet". She draws a little opportunistic teasing, but mostly succeeds in hiding in the social shadows; she is thought of as "nice" insofar as anyone remembers to think of her. The teacher thinks of her as a perfectly acceptable student, though a little disappointing in that the teacher is sure Carol could be getting better marks if only she tried harder; but that's all right, the teacher feels, because it's the teacher's job to help the flagging students and encouraging Carol is exactly the sort of challenge she expects as a teacher. Referred to the school psychologist, it's quite a surprise when it comes back that Carol has an IQ of 160.

Debby is also a quiet student, though quick to put her hand up. She sits in the front. She comes across as painfully earnest. She often seems out of touch with what is going on in class, not because she's not paying attention, but because she has a bit of trouble keeping up with fast social interactions. Her grades are Ds and she struggles, valiantly, with the material. It matters very much to her that she's a "good kid", and she's scrupulous in following class rules. It crushes her when she feels she's disappointed the teacher by not doing well on her work. She has one abiding interest: she breeds rabbits. She knows everything in the world about rabbits, their care and feeding. The other students have given her the epithet "rabbit girl" and call her a "dork" and a "tool". The teacher thinks of her of a bit of a trial; she's all but written Debby off, except that Debby is so sincere and tries so hard to please her. The school psychologist tests Debby, and it turns out she has an IQ of 95.

I'd like to submit that these four very typical students illustrate something interesting about "giftedness". The problems of gifted kids in non-gifted specific classrooms are often discussed in terms of giftedness. But as many people working in the field of gifted education are quick to point out, giftedness seems to have a bunch of traits and attributes wrapped into it. I'd like to pull one thing out of that package (I'm not about to unwrap the whole thing), and that's the trait of avidity.

Anne has a perfectly normal, typical level of avidity for classroom learning for a 5th grader. Which is to say, very little. In fact, her avidity is pretty low across the board: while she has interests she's not very passionate about them. For instance, she likes dolls, but couldn't see the point in going to a doll convention.

Carol also has very little avidity for the classroom. Her social relations with her peers are weak, but not outrageously toxic. She is not seen as transgressing the social norms of the classroom. The teacher finds her much more personally acceptable than Betty, because Carol is no strain on her resources.

Betty, however, has a very high level of avidity. She is a very avid student. She generally is highly avid, as reflected in her many enthusiasms. The hostility she gets is not for her grades, which are erratic at best, but for acting too avid in the classroom.

Debby also has a higher than average level of avidity. She tries hard in school and has one burning interest. But she's not intellectually gifted. She still gets some of the same sorts of peer hostility that Betty gets, and the teacher considers Debby more demanding of her energies that Anne or Carol so harbors some resentment towards her.

I would submit the hypothesis that IQ is not the social or pedagogical problem with giftedness -- avidity is.

My hypothesis is that kids don't get beat up for being smart, they get beat up for being avid; that teachers resent the more avid students, not the merely bright ones, for being more "demanding" than other students.

Avidity, our stereotypes and archetypes of genius tell us, is a characteristic trait of smart people. It is the "absent-minded" in "absent-minded professor" and the "mad" in "mad scientist". It is so embedded in the idea, that we are surprised when someone who is not highly avid, such as Carol, turns out to have a high IQ.

But avidity is not a uniquely GT trait. It's perfectly possible for people of average IQ to be highly avid. Avidity can have a number of motivations. GT people seem to have a motivation of needing a high level of intellectual stimulation; their avidity is their seeking new input for the hungry engines of their minds. But there are other motivations. The person whose loved one gets cancer may become highly motivated to learn everything there is about that form of cancer and to become very involved in organizations which fight that cancer.

It may also be the case that avidity is usually a function of maturity, and that low avidity children like Anne grow up to be medium-avidity teenagers who are dedicated to their favorite music group or cheer-leading squad or what have you.

These thoughts of mine on avidity are informed by my own experience as a 30-something adult GT attending graduate school with plenty of people who are not GTs and which graduate school, in fact, is pretty unprepared for people like me.

I've generally not had any social problems in classes where my fellow students were more avid than normal. In particular, this meant the special program for returning adult students I was initially in; those students were no more or less intelligent than the rest of the student body, but they were far more motivated and mature. They all and each came with an agenda which they were pursuing. It was not hard for instructors to draw them into conversations; indeed, instructors sometimes has trouble getting them to shut up. It seemed (and seems) that in classes of more traditional (closer to "college-age"), less avid students that social strain is more likely to arise.

What all this suggests to me is the intriguing experiment of "mainstreaming" GT kids with normal students who have been rated by observers as more avid than usual. That is, tracking by avidity instead of IQ. My guess is this would have all the purported benefits of "heterogeneous grouping" pedagogy -- that happy one-room school house stuff -- and little or none of its flaws -- the smart kids tuning out or doing all the work.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 02:17 am (UTC)
m_danson

That would be a very interesting study. I would love to see the results of that.

A agree that mature students are more avid... after all they have a reason to be there. (Ask Draco, he went back to school after 8 years out.)


Which brings to mind the question... how many people who have friended you could be considered avid? You are avid so I'd guess that like attracts like in this case and there would be a high number among your friends. Just speculation.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:21 am (UTC)
siderea

Having, as I do, a strongly internal locus of control, I see it less as "people who friended me" as "people I collected", and, unquestionably, avidity is something I select for. It is, to me, far and away one of the most attractive traits someone can have.

That said, by all accounts, own high avidity is what attracts to me many of those who are attracted to me. It's such an overwhelmingly striking personality trait that I expect its mostly what people react to.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:08 am (UTC)
oakleaf_mirror

You may well be on to something as to the root of the problem. Your experiment seems to leave Carol out in the cold, though. If Carol ends up in a class where the avid students have been culled to go to the high avidity grouping, she's going to be spending even more time staring out the window. If you put her in an environment where avidity is the norm, and perhaps the social expectation, she might well find the motivation to perform to her potential.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:17 am (UTC)
siderea

Yeah, I have no idea what would work best for Carol, having been more of a Betty. Maybe if there's any self-identified Carols out there, they could speak up; I know I'd appreciate it. Failing that, there's always experimentation...


Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:28 am (UTC)
cellio

What an interesting idea! It rings true for me, and I'd love to see that study if someone were to do it.

Quasi-Betty here, with Anne's fear of being wrong in front of the other students (which led me to ask private questions of my teachers, sometimes to their great frustration -- especially the time the teacher was trying to prompt a particular question, I was the only person who apparently saw it, and I didn't ask until after class). I think I've gotten better about this as an adult; if nothing else, I'm more aware of my effect on others than I was as a kid. But I do wonder, were I to go back to school, what kind of experience I would have. Among a self-selected group for a para-rabbinic program, I was one of the most avid in my class -- would that be true of a longer-term program tooo, and if so what coping strategies would I need to bring to bear?

(I'm thinking out loud here, not asking you to provide answers. Though I welcome comments on any of this.)

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:50 am (UTC)
lady_guenievre

So what *are* the benefits of "happy one-room school house" schooling? I was a Betty, and am just not seeing it...

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:59 am (UTC)
siderea

Um, good question. :)

One, I think, is that when you don't have all the students at so close an ability range, the procrustean urge to make them all go lock-step through a curriculum is reduced.

Another is that whole "learning to socialize with different kinds of people" thing. Apparently a lot of people are keen to make sure GTs can handle non-GTs, though not so much the other way around. (Though this doesn't solve the more-avid/less-avid socialization divide.)

Another is the idea that the more advanced students will help with the instruction of less advanced students. This make the teacher more efficient, and is a good way for the advanced students to solidify their reading (the old "You don't know it until you can explain it to someone else" thing).

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:54 am (UTC)
wulfmadchen: edited

This all resonates with my experience. I was Betty throughout my school career, as you might expect. What really drives your hypothesis home for me was that I was still ridiculed and shunned in classes populated exclusively by other GT students because of the disparity in levels of avidity.

I'd be interested to run this by my mom, who is an elementary school teacher working on her Master's Degree. She and I have lots of interesting discussions about ed psych when we're together.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 04:25 am (UTC)
siderea: Re: edited

Yeah, let us know what she says!

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 03:58 am (UTC)
blumindy

Woof. I was a total Betty throughout elementary and high school. I *learned* to be a Carol in college except in courses where I was able to recognize that the professor would not be threatened if I became more noticebly avid.

My daughter is more of a Carol. I like that she fits in far better than I ever did but I have to think that the major reason she is a Carol is her untreated ADD.....the trade-off is a bit strange. She is aware of her inability to focus and of her teachers' less-than-wonderful opinion of her (although she makes somewhat better grades than your Carol.)

I do like your idea of grouping by avidity although you might have the 'smart' kids doing all the work if the avidity of the 'less-smart' kids doesn't translate well to their schoolwork. How does the teacher get Debby to comprehend more math or abstract literary concepts (after they have finished reading Watership Down?

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 04:14 am (UTC)
siderea

It does matter that that avidity is displayed in the classroom. Someone who is only avid outside the class can't practically be considered avid for purposes of classroom tracking (unless one has a reason to believe they might behave more avidly in a different class).

But if Debby is avid in the classroom, Debby won't stand to have Betty do her work for her. Debby is going to complain if she doesn't get it. That's part of being avid. And she'll turn to Betty and ask -- or (she said remembering rather fondly) demand that Betty help her, explain it to her again, tutor her.

How does the teacher get Debby to comprehend more math or abstract literary concepts (after they have finished reading Watership Down?

Presumably the same way she does in any other class which contains both Debby and Betty. Though, hopefully, in a class in which there is no social penulty for avidity, there will be a lot more peer-instruction. Betty will probably be delighted to explain what she gets out of Watership Down to Debby (and Debby will get a serious ego-boo out of explaining further about rabbit biology), which will help Debby. It won't hurt Betty's developing ability to explain things none, neither.

Debby may never be able to work to the same level of Betty, but she doesn't have to. She has to work to her maximum, or whatever the academic standard is for her. In a class with mixed academic ability but matched avidity, the assumption is can't be that the same lesson will work for everyone, but that students can work at different levels, together.

When I was asked by one of the few profs here who knew my academic background whether I was finding the classes challenging enough, I responded that I was quite capable of enriching my own experience. :) I don't need people to find me challenges. Really, I'm pretty amazing at finding my own mountains to climb. I just need a supportive environment and for people to refrain from trying to keep me down.

I think a lot of GTs have that capacity, though it is usually stunted by institutionalized classroom education.

Perhaps the idea that educators need to provide intellectual enrichment is precisely the problem. Hightly avid people with intellectual inclinations can't be beaten off from academic topics with sticks. It's sort of like bringing coals to Newcastle. If instead they were provided with environments in which their being themselves and expressing their natural avidity were not discouraged, perhaps that would serve them much better, and they'd take care of the enrichment themselves.

(Which, of course, is what unschooling is all about, but that's a separate topic.)

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 04:12 am (UTC)
sethg_prime

Back in a previous life as a deaf-ed student, in one of my student-teacher assignments, I had someone "sort of like" Debby in my class, in the sense that a cold sore is "sort of like" oral cancer. The whole sorry tale is too long to fit in a comment, so I blogged it.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 04:54 am (UTC)
outlander

While I like--love--the idea of grouping kids via avidity--class discussions would BE discussions, not four or five children talking while others listen, people would be pushed by their peers to excel, instead of seeing that x number of people aren't bothering, so why should they?

My concern would be for Debby--while I know that kids will achieve at higher levels if it is expected that they will achieve at higher levels, seeing the look on Debby's face when the test/quiz/report comes back time and again with a lower score than her peers. This does eventually play into the child's sense of self-esteem. It might be out weighed by the fact Debby is in an environment where everyone is taking an active interest in the learning, so she is not singled out. But eventually, Debby does notice she is not at the same level intellectually as her peers. It is hard to see--especially because the Debby I am thinking of decided to start tuning out once that realization hit her (him, actually).

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 05:43 am (UTC)
siderea

Yeah, I've wondered about that.

So why is "full inclusion" such a good idea to the parents of seriously developmentally disabled kids? Is the assumption that they're too disabled to notice?

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 05:39 am (UTC)
bastets_place

Hi there *waves* used to be a "Carol", now a "Betty".

A big difference that I might propose is that Carol may just not be avid IN CLASS. Carol may be avid elsewhere - in her daydreams, in her books. I was an avid reader, just not an avid answerer of questions about my reading. I made up elaborate stories, but never wrote a one of them down.

I started out school as a Betty, interestingly enough, arguing with my kindergarten teacher about if a certain shape were a diamond or a square turned on end - I was right, btw.
THE thing that made a huge difference, and changed my whole outlook in my youth regarding my education was that I hit on a mediocre teacher who was moderately abusive to her students. She would stand a kid up and tell them, in detail, all about how stupid they were. She attempted to explain to my mother that I was autistic because I would zone out in class. The truth was, this was a new, not previously observed behavior pattern that I developed as a coping strategy with that teacher, that carried over for the rest of my "standard" educational career. Now, as an adult, at 35, I am back in college, and my observations match yours - I have actually had a teacher ask that I stop raising my hand in class and answering questions, and let someone else have a chance for a change. I am in a "normal", "low - nontrad student" class, and most of them appear to be more worried about who is dating whom and how much to drink that night than they are about thier grades. I can't *STAND* it when I know the answer and he is looking for someone - anyone else - to raise his or her hand.
The one big difference, here, is that I no longer care what the other students think of this.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 06:21 am (UTC)
siderea

Welcome!

A big difference that I might propose is that Carol may just not be avid IN CLASS.

I both agree and disagree.

Usually when we see a student like Carol, we so expect her to be avid, we read her as a damaged high-avidity person. That we assume there must be something wrong with her, something to fix.

But what if there's not? What if that's just how she is? What if assuming that the right way for her to be is highly avid is stepping on her authentic personality? What if she has just as much right to be low-avidity as a person of 100 IQ, just as much as one has a right to be an introvert or extrovert?

Yes, there are lots of high-avidity people masquerading as low-avidity people to get through bad patches -- lots of them have commented here identifying themselves as such. But in this essay I wanted to posit there was such a thing a a low-avidity + high-IQ person, for comparison sake. I don't know if that's possible. Maybe all high-IQ people are high-avidity. But maybe they're not and there's people like Carol, who really just are that way, and we need to find a way to respect that and meet their educational needs.

And, yeah, I'm thinking of a particular classmate I had in 9th grade English. I don't know that she was low-avidity, but I got that impression.

So that's one thing. Another is, in this essay, I finessed the difference between behaving avidly and having an inclination to avidity as a personality trait. I did that in part because I don't know what the difference is in practice, and what is attributable to acting avid and what to being avid.

Let me explain. When I was a kid, I most certainly wasn't sitting in the front waving my hand, "Pick me! Pick me!" I had long tuned out and tried to turn down the pilot light. Nice example: When I was in 10th grade, I had to take Normal Kids' biology. So I would come in, sit near the front of the class, put my books down on the desk, put my head down on the books and go to sleep, drooling gently. The teacher attempted to shame me into alertness by calling on me. I'd blink a couple of times and ask him to repeat the question, then I would answer it and get back to catching some Zs. The only interruption of this (to me) inoffensive routine was classes with quizzes, which I stayed alert through long enough to get 100%s.

I'd tuned out, but nobody could mistake me for a Carol.

Even when I spent all of class daydreaming, people still reacted to my highly avid personality. So I'm wondering what matters in practice: one's context-specific avid behaviors, or one's avidity disposition.

Finally, from a pragmatic standpoint in education, a potentially high-avidity student who is acting with low-avidity in the classroom can't really be considered any different from a low-avidity student. Which is not to say that the Stealth-Bettys shouldn't be discovered and their natural high-avidity coaxed out, but if a student's avidity, high as it is, is constrained to, say, sports, they are a low-avidity student for all practical purposes. (And to be clear, I would consider someone with a high avidity for sports to be highly avid.)

To clarify something: avidity is not enthusiasm. Perhaps it can be thought of as how capable of enthusiasms one is; I'll think more on this.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 05:47 am (UTC)
londo

At the moment, I'm unable to provide you with any useful comments.

But I will give you an amusing anecdote: A classmates in college once said that I acted as though there were only four people in the class, and I was three of them.

So, yeah. I know which category I fall into.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 09:00 am (UTC)
covaithe

I think I may be a Carol, or something like. High IQ and at least arguably low avidity. There are a lot of things I'm interested in, but I rarely choose to expend the energy to do much about it. Interested, but not passionate. It might be just laziness, but it's not clear to me where the distinction is between laziness and low avidity.

When I do become passionate about something, it usually works out in one of two ways. Either it's something really obscure that I generally keep to myself -- I was once proficient in two or three joke programming languages, including INTERCAL -- or it's a situation where other people's passion helps increase the intensity of my interest. I know a little about art history, for example, but I don't spend any time studying it, and don't really consider it one of my interests. Put me in a room for an hour a day with other people who really care about art, though, and I'll soon find myself reading about it in my spare time.

So in that sense, Carol might be better off in the avidity-encouraged room.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 02:43 pm (UTC)
m_danson: ramblings

Your comments still have my mind churning even after sleeping on them so here's a few more notes...

Assuming that avidity is a highly desirable trait (I just wanted to make that assumption explicit rather than implicit) and that high avidity children have difficulties in a mixed classroom... wouldn't it be beneficial to all to encourage avidity in the low(er) avidity students? (I'm not sure how one would do that. Perhaps by exposure to a wide variety of topics and by exposure to avid people?) That would raise give the high avidity students a more challenging environment and give the low avidity students a desirable trait. Of course that assumes that avidity can be taught or encouraged rather than an inborn personality trait.

I'm not sure that avidity is a societally desired personality trait unless it leads to success as the trait often comes with an inability to conform (as you pointed out).

Personal note: I find it difficult to understand how anyone can lack passions. I've got plenty. I wonder if they simply haven't been exposed to what would make them obsessive/passionate/avid yet or if my tendency towards being obsessive/passionate/avid is more nature than nurture. I get twitchy and unhappy if I don't have something to release my energy into or to chase down and discover.

Musings: I wonder what a world where everyone is avid about something would be like? Would that be an improvement or would there be major difficulties due to how involved everyone was?

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
siderea: Re: ramblings

Assuming that avidity is a highly desirable trait

Well, I like it. :) But then, I'm partial to introversion, too...

wouldn't it be beneficial to all to encourage avidity in the low(er) avidity students? (I'm not sure how one would do that. Perhaps by exposure to a wide variety of topics and by exposure to avid people?)

Maybe there's a shot we could give them. Ritalin? Caffeine?

Of course that assumes that avidity can be taught or encouraged rather than an inborn personality trait.

Yeah, I have a hunch it's inborn and matures over time. :/ It's the old "You can lead a horse to water" thing.

I find it difficult to understand how anyone can lack passions.

Me, too. I know this will be a challenged for my professional empathy.

I wonder what a world where everyone is avid about something would be like?

I don't know. I'm minded of the internet circa 1990, which I think it's far to say was almost all highly-avid people, because it took some doing to get on the net in those days, whether that was direct pursuit of a connection or as a bene from the direct pursuit of some other ambition like a CS degree or high-tech job.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 06:11 pm (UTC)
cfox

I was Carol until about grade 5; at that point, things went sour socially, and I flipped into a much higher avidity type. You have a number of other commenters who flipped types, so I don't think it can be so rare.

Observations about being the space cadet:
* I don't think I learned anything in primary school... but some of the skills that came with maturity (handwriting, some specific manual dexterity tasks, sports) came late. Help debugging minor sensory integration problems, and art classes, were useful. The otherwise dead time in Carol's early experience could be filled with things that need practise, not intellect.
* In a test or competition that doesn't matter - many of the math competitions were set up that way - I succeeded far better than in classroom tests. I was really tired of my parents telling me that I was clever enough to do better.
* I couldn't be forced to read books, because the plot upset me, and because I didn't like to have to answer "what are you reading?" I did read books, but *secretly* and the same ones over and over.

I think the general Carol type needs a lot of space and privacy; protecting her and simply letting her run wild may be in her best interest.

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
cfox

Here's another theory:

Is the low-avidity person unduely sensitive to negative reinforcers? You said Carol appeared sensitive; perhaps she really is so sensitive that she does nothing at all, when faced with the sort of random carelessness that's dished out by her peers?

Carol differs from Anne, in that Anne's not really bright enough to get to "everything I do hurts"; Anne's taking a smaller view, and learning from the experience when she gets laughed at.

(I'm having a hard time getting away from Carol being a broken Betty, still, though - Betty's damage is that "all attention is good attention.")

Wed, Mar. 15th, 2006 10:48 pm (UTC)
merle_

That's a very interesting hypothesis. I'm inclined to believe it -- at least the part about avidity being what socially cripples people.

It is also odd that avidity is rewarded in sports. Nobody ever complains "hey, that jerk is always trying too hard and running too fast, he should slow down". So: good tactic for sports, lousy tactic for academics. I am not sure whether it is good or bad in the workplace, though. That may depend on where one works.

I don't think I fit any of the A-D profiles exactly. Betty comes closest, except that I developed cloaking and mirroring behaviours early on: for example, learning to wait and not be the first to raise my hand every time. I was still avid, but I learned to mask it and simply think ahead in my own mind. Being skipped ahead several grades didn't hurt, either...

Thu, Mar. 16th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
learnteach: Avidity is PARTIALLY rewarded in sports;

remember, you have to be a "Team Player" and not a prima donna; it's still a denigration much later on in life.

I was skipped ahead during fourth grade too--actually, I completed all of fourth and all of fifth in one year.

As well, the "living up to potential" translating to an avidity for grades--you can be very avid about many things, and decline to play the grade game, or just game the system in a different way. Then you get people who take 6 years of college in four; the grades aren't great, but you get to do all the fun classes!

Thu, Mar. 16th, 2006 03:59 am (UTC)
dmnsqrl

So how would you go about establishing a test for avidity that could be perceived by those looking at the results later as having been objective?

Thu, Mar. 16th, 2006 04:05 am (UTC)
siderea

An excellent question! I'll get back to you after I've taken 626 Assessment/Appraisal Process: Projective Testing.