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Mon, May. 10th, 2004, 09:06 pm
[Carolingia] So, I got my Minuscule today...

Is it just me, or has the Carolingian activity calendar sort of imploded? For several months now, there have been absolutely no Thursday activities. Or Friday activities. Only the occasional Event on Saturdays.

Speaking as someone who spent much of the last 15 years scheduling Carolingian stuff and wrestling with the utter bear that was not conflicting with other activities, that vertical stripe of white on the calendar is rather shocking. I mean, I remember when Storytellers went to the very innovative 15th-of-the-month scheduling policy specifically to solve the problem of not being able to find a regular time when they didn't conflict with a weekly activity, so deciding to stomp all toes equally.

Looking at the official activities page, (at the top of which it says "There is something going on in the Barony practically every night"!) of the nine entries in the "bi-weekly or monthly" category, the only ones I saw on the calendar were Council, Calligraphers, Thrown Weapons, and Storytellers; Brewers has been trying to happen, but no one has been showing up (Storytellers is having a problem with attendence, too.)

So, what's going on? Are people very involved in activities which aren't listed on the main calendar (e.g. rehearsals)? Household or independent projects? Or is it that the guild activity level in the Barony has plummeted?

Also, which boroughs are currently active? Mitgaard is all but dead. Duncharloch? Ivory Keep? (I won't even inquire about Southebank or Huntington Greene.)

Mon, May. 10th, 2004 07:07 pm (UTC)
jducoeur

I can't disagree, unfortunately. For some reason, the Barony's energy level has been dreadfully low this past year -- there's still more going on than many places, but a lot less than I'm used to.

You're also right that the Borough activity level is down. None of the Boroughs are entirely healthy at the moment. Fenmere and Felding have decent numbers of members, but they're doing relatively little with the Barony at large. Mitgaard is fairly kaput (which worries me terribly). Duncharloch *is* kaput, and Ivory Keep has largely lost its way after some organizational confusion caused it to be unrecognized by the college. Greenwood Isle produced several active members, but it is having trouble getting a second generation -- it isn't clear what's going to happen after next year.

I'm genuinely unsure whether the two issues are related, although it wouldn't surprise me: as I often say, the Boroughs tend to drive the energy level of the Barony. What's done is done for this year, but I'm going to try to get folks involved in recruiting next year -- it's already a problem, and it wouldn't take much more to become a genuine crisis...
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Mon, May. 10th, 2004 08:07 pm (UTC)
jducoeur

It's true, and I frequently make the same point myself. That said, though, the recoveries don't always happen by themselves. The Boroughs generally do best when they've got enthusiastic members inside, but also have support from the Barony and are well-involved with it. In particular, when the Boroughs are helping each other, everyone tends to benefit.

So while I think you're right, I don't think we can be complacent about it. Some effort from the Barony may be able to rekindle one or two of the Boroughs back to full life...

Mon, May. 10th, 2004 08:32 pm (UTC)
siderea

Well, yes, when I joined I was told that. I, however, concluded pretty much immediately that it was self-exculpatory nonsense promulgated by people who didn't want to deal with boroughs and felt guilty about it. :)

Putnum's Bowling Alone has some remarkable graphs of membership numbers of clubs whose memberships crashed. There is a common modality of failure of increasing oscillations around a very slight downward asymptote, then one year, some critical number is crossed, and the line never moves upward again, and the plunge begins.

We've gone from 7 boroughs oscillating to... how many? Mitgaards peaks kept getting lower, and what constituted "core" kept weakening. That is, "core" people went from people who went to all events, were active in guilds/practices, and took care of their own gear and arrangement, to people who went to occasional events, no other activities, and were only marginally self-sufficient.



Mon, May. 10th, 2004 09:12 pm (UTC)
siderea

Recruit them to what?

Our problem hasn't been getting prospective's attention, it's been retention. People (students) come, check us out, and then decide we're not as much fun as other things.

It's not like there aren't people right now who are undergrads (and grads) at MIT who were active in the SCA last year or the year before. They didn't graduate. They stopped playing with us.

Tue, May. 11th, 2004 06:32 am (UTC)
jducoeur

Interesting food for thought, but I think it's only half the story. You're right that the activity level is lower than it's been some years, but it's higher than it's been some others. A few guilds have gone inactive, but I suspect some of the holes you're seeing on the calendar are simply people forgetting to put stuff into the Minuscule. (Year by year, the Minuscule matters less and less, as the Barony focuses more on electronic communications.) I believe there's still more happening on a weekly basis than there was fifteen years ago.

What seems different (to me) this year, though, is a lack of excitement. It's not that things aren't happening -- it's that I'm just not seeing a real spark of enthusiasm anywhere. A lot of activities are ticking over fine, but they're not dragging people in, saying, "Hey! Look at this cool thing I'm doing!" That hits the boroughs particularly hard, because they are hugely sensitive to that kind of enthusiasm: it's what draws a Borough out of its hard candy shell and gets members actually *doing* stuff.

This is all self-reinforcing. The Borough folk are far more likely to show up to stuff when they get a sincere "This is really cool!", not "Yeah, we have a weekly practice". And there is little that does more to make a practice feel lively and fun than folks who are seeing it with un-jaded eyes, and still have the first blush of enthusiasm themselves.

I have some real hope for the upcoming year -- the event calendar is considerably less routine than this year's was, and that's usually good for waking the Barony up again. This isn't the first time I've seen this sort of collective burnout around the Barony, and we've pulled out of it before; however, happening at a time when the Boroughs were slumping a bit to begin with was a dangerous synchrony.

Good point, though -- there is a two-pronged issue here, and both sides need to be addressed. IMO, though, the issue isn't how *many* activities the Barony is pursuing, but the level of enthusiasm being applied towards those activities. Folks really need to find their passion again, whether within the existing activities or in new ones...
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Mon, May. 10th, 2004 08:22 pm (UTC)
43duckies

I just started going to dance practice again after a 4-5 year hiatus. It seems like there are fewer people there than I remember, but that may be the gee-I-grew-up-and-suddenly-all-the-rooms-aren't-as-big-as-I-remember phenomenon.

I know I got a lot less likely to attend meetings etc when my life changed so I had less easy access to borrowing cars or getting rides from housemates. Getting involved in other local non-SCA communities didn't help, either. Moving out of a house filled with other SCAdians decreased my activity; living with a SCAdian again has increased it. Then there's work, family and the whole cost/benefit analysis of energy available and sleep needed vs. going to a meeting.

I think what I'm wondering is, is this a standard cycle? does this sort of thing ebb and flow? Has Carolingia seen this before?

Has there been a substantial change in the location distribution of Carolingians and/or the likelyhood of the majority of Carolingians either having cars or being willing to use public transit, perhaps leading to people being less likely to attend meetings that might be further away or more difficult to get to (or park at) than they used to? (I know that for me, the relative location of activities from where I happen to live (ie, how much time and energy with I use getting there and back) seems to have a strong impact on my attendance.)

Is it that more people are dividing their energy between SCA and non-SCA things? Is the overall majority getting older and more settled and pairing off and having families and maybe discovering competing priorities?

Is it a wane in interest and energy due to something about the communal activities themselves? I read something recently, either in a journal or on the Carolingia List, a comment about how the overall quality and/or depth of events in Carolingia has lowered a bit, probably due to having donation-only events due to the NMS. Are people feeling less inspired?

Or is it all a natural cycle, as I said earlier? Is there any point in wondering or worrying about this?

Mon, May. 10th, 2004 09:01 pm (UTC)
siderea

I think what I'm wondering is, is this a standard cycle? does this sort of thing ebb and flow? Has Carolingia seen this before?

Yes and no. I wrote in another comment about Bowling Alone and one of the modalities of club failure.

Has there been a substantial change in the location distribution of Carolingians and/or the likelyhood of the majority of Carolingians either having cars or being willing to use public transit [...]

I suspect that if we looked, we'd see some spectacular changes in the constitution of the Barony and of its typical habits:
  • The combination of fewer boroughs and members/borough plus the inevitable aging of veteran members means that the average age just sky rocketted. While there's been, for a while (but not always) Carolingians drifting off for career or children, they were in a minority. I don't think they are any more.
  • When I joined, T-accessible events were typical; I didn't have to get many rides. But as the price of rental facilities grew and the size of the facilities we needed for events also grew, we could no longer afford in-city prices. Events moved out to the burbs. Now a solid majority require a car.
  • The price of residential rents has been skyrocketting in the city; I would not be surprised to learn a smaller percentage of the barony lives in the city, as opposed to the burbs.


Is it that more people are dividing their energy between SCA and non-SCA things?

One of the things which has struck me is the number of Carolingian friends of mine who are artisans who have decided to pursue their (perfectly period) arts primarily outside of the SCA. I may even count in that number; I'm more likely to go to Amherst Early Music than Pennsic.

Is it a wane in interest and energy due to something about the communal activities themselves?

I've been wondering that, but someone who is actually attending events would have to comment.

I read something recently, either in a journal or on the Carolingia List, a comment about how the overall quality and/or depth of events in Carolingia has lowered a bit, probably due to having donation-only events due to the NMS.

I don't think that was on the list, or (a) I would have seen it and (b) the flame war would still be on-going. :)

I don't think the NMS/donation-only thing is degrading events (I could be wrong and welcome more info). I suspect we're not replacing retired star autocrats. I've been hearing from cooks for ages that we burn through head cooks and don't replace them at the same rate.

Speaking as someone who's done a lot of work as Autocrat's Chief Minion and Counsellor, it seems to me that autocratting has gotten much harder in certain ways, the chief among them finding a site. I've seen planned events fail due to lack of site; more commonly, they compromise dreadfully, and autocrat's plans get scuttled. It's hard to find spaces for archery and thrown weapons which also have kitchens and halls. Just tourney-field+kitchen can be a challenge.

I think there's lots of other things, too. Back in the day, it was a big thing that dance practice and fighter practice not be scheduled to conflict, out of respect for those who (and hope that more would) do both. Today, that's exactly how it is. If people today don't care that fight practice is up against dance practice (when there's a whole nother free day in the week!!) why should they care if fighting and dancing don't happen at the same events? Erk.

The Barony used to feel more inter-woven than it looks from the outside now. Back in the day, an autocrat who had nothing to do with fighting would still want to have fighting at her event, just because she wanted to have a cool, multi-facetted event. A fighter autocrat who knew nothing about dance would want dance at her event, because if she didn't have it, her event wouldn't seem fully featured. I don't get the sense that's still true. Theme events seem so much more common, whether by period or by activity.





Tue, May. 11th, 2004 12:31 pm (UTC)
jducoeur

I just started going to dance practice again after a 4-5 year hiatus. It seems like there are fewer people there than I remember

That's a time-of-year thing, largely. As the school year progresses, dance practice always gets smaller. That's pretty much a constant down the years. Things are always smaller by May; the 20ish we're currently running isn't terribly unusual...

Tue, May. 11th, 2004 06:55 am (UTC)
msmemory

At least half of those Thursdays are being used for private or irregular get-togethers. Heralds have lately often been meeting on Thursdays, and my household gets together for sewing twice a month, etc.
Brewers, which is less frequent, is also Thursdays.

Tue, May. 11th, 2004 07:14 am (UTC)
tangerinpenguin

Interestingly, I've heard much the same thing said about the Debatable Lands recently. I'd been trying to analyze it in terms of the cultural shifts of going from ornery, provinical backwater to the center of an active Kingdom, but I wonder if it's a larger-than-local phenomenon.

Tue, May. 11th, 2004 11:39 am (UTC)
cellio

I was thinking the same thing. It seems to me that Debatable Lands has been waning for about a decade, but it's hard to tell what's going on. We seem to have problems with recruiting, retention, and cross-fertilization, and I suspect some of the underlying causes are the same for both baronies.

The retention issue is two-pronged, actually: we don't retain new members, and we do retain old mambers -- which isn't a problem, but does change the balance. A 19-year-old college kid typically doesn't want to hang out with a bunch of 40-somethings with kids; we need to close the gap so there are more 20-somethings and 30-somethings (including many who are single and sans kids) so the students will see people "sort of" like them. I'm not sure how we get there, though; we didn't catch the change early enough. And unfortunately, it can be a hot-button issue if not handled very delicately; some hyper parents will see "we need more young people" as "they don't want us and our kids around, those unfriendly bastards!", and that's not it at all. It's about providing an environment that is hospitable to the people we hope to recruit, and mundane 40-somethings with kids aren't good recruiting candidates. Consider: how many of us would join the SCA now, if we were encountering it for the first time and not in college like most of us did?

Tue, May. 11th, 2004 10:59 pm (UTC)
siderea

Fascinating. I suspect it has to do more with demographic commonalities than a general Societal malaise, but I'm open to convincing.

Tue, May. 11th, 2004 05:17 pm (UTC)
metageek: Calligraphers

of the nine entries in the "bi-weekly or monthly" category, the only ones I saw on the calendar were Council, Calligraphers, Thrown Weapons, and Storytellers;

And Calligraphers is really more like twice a year these days.

Tue, May. 11th, 2004 10:59 pm (UTC)
siderea: Re: Calligraphers

And storytellers has been discussing its dire meeting attendence on their email list (to which I am subscribed.)