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Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003, 03:33 am
Consideration

This is a reply to what ladysprite recently wrote

The word you're looking for is "consideration". To be considered. The root of "considerate". To be the object of another's contemplation and warm regard. What you wrote may be the loveliest evocation of this universal human longing I have read in a long time. When the poets of the last century decried the alienation of man in modern society, that's what they were talking about.

We think of being "considerate" to mean polite in the sense of thinking what would best please another in matters of manners. Yet there is a broader realm of consideration than manners, and that's what you're talking about. You want someone to demonstrate that they've been considering you in your absence.

As you probably know, I spend a lot of time thinking about communities and subcultures and psychology suchlike. One of the things I've learned is that (1) certain kinds of people are much better at the sort of consideration you're talking about than are others, and (2) certain societies/subcultures/communities are much better at promoting that behavior or privileging the people who do it.

One of the things I feel I have learned is this: unfortunately, consideration tends to run inversely to creativity. People who are very creative tend to be really poor at consideration, unless they take it up consciously as a learned discipline. People who are naturally good at consideration often have many fine traits, but they don't tend to be creative people.

There are, of course, exceptions. But this is the way to bet.

The communities and subcultures I've visited which are disproportionately made of creative people tend to have little to no cultural norm of consideration of the type you describe. The irony being that many creative people crave it and thrive on it. But they're by nature really bad about doing it for one another.

They can learn to do it, but it feels unnatural to them. It is often a struggle to remember to do it. It is for this reason that among more "practical" people, creative people are seen as flakey and self-absorbed. Creative people don't usually express that sort of consideration well. They don't throw birthday parties religiously, they forget to send christmas cards, they don't bring casseroles to funeral receptions, they don't look in on recent widows, they don't visit people in hospitals, they don't remember the way every one of their friends takes his coffee, they don't pick things up at garage sales with a "I thought you'd like this so I got it for you". As prosaic as these things seem in comparison to the creative person's occasional inspired and flamboyant gestures, these non-creative considerate people manage to do these things consistently, and they do them meaningfully and heartfully.

You and I live in communities which are overwhelmingly full of creative people. I would even go so far as to say that people who are not primarily identified with being creative, but are primarily identified as considerate, while appreciated for their gift, feel out of place in some of those communities. In some cases, merely like an outsider, but in other cases like a second-class citizen. In a largely creative population, being creative is often esteemed more highly than being considerate; being considerate doesn't get you any social status.

This is, obviously, the flip side from a very traditionalist community -- imagine a church congregation in a small town -- where creativity is at best liked, but more likely tolerated; but the woman who is ever considerate is seen as the salt of the earth, and far more likely to command social status by her virtue or explicit power by being voted into offices.

In light of this, does Carolingia's legendary slowness to give awards look somewhat different?

These demonstrations of care and affection are gracious things that reinforce to our minds that we belong, that we are seen by others as belonging, that we are with them in their thoughts. Without these gestures, we wonder if we belong, or are merely tolerated; we become insecure that we are merely among, not with. When we initiate all gestures, we begin to feel that we are in a hall of mirrors.

One of the things which effects whether such gestures of consideration are norms in a culture, is the firmness of boundaries around units of social organization. The more firm those boundaries -- the more clear whether or not someone is "in" or "out" of a community, a clan, a household, a family, a tribe, or any social institution -- the more likely gestures of consideration are normal and expected.

The reason for this is that if one grants that one has a responsibility to demonstrate that consideration to others, one needs to know there is a reasonable place to stop. For instance, I couldn't possibly keep up with sending a birthday card to every Carolingian, much less throw them all surprize parties once a year.

But if I do that for some and not for all, where do I draw the line? What are the social ramifications for trying to choose whom you will do this for and whom you will not? What if A, B, and C all think D deserves a birthday surprize party, but only A thinks B deserves a birthday surprize party?

And if there are no boundaries of who is "in" and gets the full recognition of a right to consideration, how can you control the number of people you have a social responsibility to? Knowing that if you say "I will try to be considerate of every person in this group" and that group may grow to any number of people, how can you keep it from becoming a full time job?

Many creative people think it anathema to have social boundaries, to have an "in" and an "out" of any social organization. They are welcome to order their affairs so, but it has a practical consequence. Highly porous social boundaries discourage gestures of consideration as a social norm. (That is actually but one practical consequence; there are others.)

In reaction, often within such a highly porous group, subgroups form within the whole which have very hard-to-permeate boundaries. From newsgroups and public email lists, private email lists. From SCA branches, Households. Sometimes the impermeable subgroups are formal and official; sometimes they're informal and unrecognized -- cliques.

With gestures of consideration discouraged, a sense of belonging is harder to cultivate. Thus it can be that in the groups with the lowest barriers to entry, the most wide-open arms, that there can be the most wide-spread insecurity of whether or not one really belongs.

So what to do?

For you, I have two practical paths to recommend. One is to form a household-equivalent. The other is to create a mechanism and discipline for doing gestures of consideration, and try to both follow and promulgate them.

The first is straight forward enough. Find a bunch of people who share your values, and propose what you want to do. Talk about consideration. Call it a "birthday collective" or something, if you like. Form a group specifically to address the problem. Presuming it's as well stocked with creative people as most our social circles are, you might want to generate really specific statements of expectation, so people know what they need to do.

The second would be to do something like put the names of all your friends into a sack and once a (unit of time) you draw one forth and do something for that person.

Actually, you might ask each of those friends for a physical token with their name on it, which you could put into your sack. Heck, if it catches on, we can all start trading little personal baubles.

The more virtual might prefer a computer program, which picks a name at random and says "Today, do something nice for X---".

But aside from advising the individual, I recommend that any community think very hard about how it might make sure that naturally considerate people are at home there, yet can co-exist with creative people. That can be an enormously hard balance to effect, and I'm quite sure I don't yet know how to do it."

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 03:57 am (UTC)
ladysprite

Hmm.

This is... a lot to ponder, and definitely worth the effort. Thank you for writing it...

(And in reference to the awards, I don't think Carolingia is all that slow, and I don't want one - at this point, I haven't earned such a thing. In a few years, maybe I will have. Right now, I'd be happy with, well, a well-thought-out statement suggesting someone is listening to me - like this. :) )

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 06:22 pm (UTC)
siderea

(And in reference to the awards, I don't think Carolingia is all that slow, and I don't want one - at this point, I haven't earned such a thing. In a few years, maybe I will have. Right now, I'd be happy with, well, a well-thought-out statement suggesting someone is listening to me - like this. :) )

Sorry, I was not cohering well. That wasn't to your address.

My point was that Carolingians are, in general, bad at thinking to write people in for the same reason they're bad, in general, for doing other gestures of consideration.

A lot of us creative types are very "out of sight, out of mind" about friends. I'm absolutely abysmal about that. Both Myndroh and I independently thought (and I'm sure many computer programmer have had the same thought) of writing a "Friend Manager" program, which would kick our butts, a la "Hey, it's been X weeks since you've had any contact with your friend Foo. Go send them an email."

Of course, another coder friend, immediately thought of patching in an Eliza-type AI to compose those social email messages. :}

The whole gestures of consideration -- the sort we're talking about -- is about thinking about someone when they're not in front of your face. That puts writing someone in for an award pretty much in a category with visiting them in the hospital, or sending them a postcard.

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 06:12 am (UTC)
fabrisse

I couldn't read the original post as the link didn't connect. I liked what you said though.
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Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 12:19 pm (UTC)
siderea

Hmmm. Is now fixed. Thanks!

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 07:08 am (UTC)
cristovau: Hmmn...

I've never made the creativity-consideration connection before. If I haven't considered this, does it mean I'm creative? Actually, based on this musing I find myself guilty as charged. Some interesting thoughts on social dynamics. I felt very clique-y at the event last Saturday. I wonder if that was part of the problem. The clique was there, but not showing the consideration one might expect.

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 06:15 pm (UTC)
siderea: Re: Hmmn...

If I haven't considered this, does it mean I'm creative?

Yes. :)

I felt very clique-y at the event last Saturday. I wonder if that was part of the problem. The clique was there, but not showing the consideration one might expect.

"I" or "It" at the beginning there? If "I" could you elaborate? If "It"... oh, heck, elaborate that, too. (I wasn't there.)

Tue, Nov. 18th, 2003 06:17 am (UTC)
cristovau: Re: Hmmn...

"I" or "It" at the beginning there? If "I" could you elaborate? If "It"... oh, heck, elaborate that, too. (I wasn't there.)

Sort of both. The atmosphere of the event, and probably a lot of Carolingian events because of size, felt like it sponsered closeness to the people you already know (aka clique-y behaviour). I spent most of the day with people I've acted with, a large clique, admittedly. It was noticable in that while I said hi to some fencers and some people from Stonemarche, I didn't engage them in conversations. This was all right with me, which is why I said that I felt clique-y, but I do notice this has limitations and problems.

The thing is ladysprite was there, part of the group, which made me wonder if the clique failed to serve the social function it might have. Maybe if it was defined in a stronger way? But then again, who wants to herd a household of actors... oh wait, we already have a guild don't we?

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 10:49 am (UTC)
learnedax

[There is nothing wrong with very long posts, but just to make sure it's intentional: have you taken a look at the lj-cut tag? Speaking of social norms...]

There's a lot of interesting and insightful stuff here. I'm not sure I agree that creativity and consideration are predominantly at odds, but it does seem to have a high correlation, at least around here. I suspect that it is more about attitudes with regard to oneself and others, in particular whether you focus your energies outward or inward, but the effect is quite likely the same.

Since you give the SCA as an example, I find it worth noting that (modulus martial activities, which is an entirely different topic) the main division in recognition within the SCA is between creativity and service. The mapping to this topic is not exact in that service is not truly the same as consideration, but it's close enough to be interesting.

I think your practical solutions are workable, but do not really address a major barrier in solving this problem, to wit: suggesting to others that you feel a lack of consideration is on the one hand frequently perceived as selfish either by yourself or by others, and on the other hand taints the result. As you say, we are talking about being considered in one's absence. Thus, receiving consideration because you acted to arrange it is fundamentally unsatisfying, even if it is not the trivial case of directly asking for it.

This is what we call a catch-22.

Though there is no guarantee that it will help, there is as of yet no better solution than to offer consideration for others not as a calculated action to help yourself but because it is a good thing to do.

Now, that fact that you wrote this is in and of itself an act of consideration (in multiple senses). Good work, keep it up. The idea that other people need attention can best be spread, to cautiously use an overused term, mimetically.

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 06:15 pm (UTC)
siderea

Taking the response back up to the top level.

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 09:01 pm (UTC)
coraline

(utterly unrelated to the current discussion)
i just went to your journal page for the first time... the yellow! the purple! my eyes! eeek!

Mon, Nov. 17th, 2003 10:15 pm (UTC)
siderea

i just went to your journal page for the first time... the yellow! the purple! my eyes! eeek!

Send me a screen-shot, would you? I'm on a Mac and it looks positively stately. I have no idea what it looks like on a PC. (You're on a PC, right?)

Tue, Nov. 18th, 2003 05:48 am (UTC)
coraline

no, i'm on a mac.
we may well just have differing standards for color combinations ;>

a jpg to double-check

Tue, Nov. 18th, 2003 11:38 am (UTC)
siderea

Yeah, it's supposed to look like that. Your eyes, my ass. :) Said by a woman with florescent blue on black color scheme. :) I don't care how bright you make it, blue is still a tincture.

Tue, Nov. 18th, 2003 01:03 pm (UTC)
coraline

*snerk*
we'll agree to disagree then.

(and that's purple on black... not that it makes much difference in this context...)

Tue, Nov. 18th, 2003 11:09 am (UTC)
jducoeur

Hmm. I am both surprised and disturbed by the fact that this analysis matches my experience quite well. I hadn't quite thought of it in those terms before, but it is certainly true that Masonry (for example) is both vastly weaker in creativity and vastly stronger in consideration than the SCA. Correlation doesn't prove causation, but the correlation is impressively clear. And Masonry is intentionally very non-porous, supporting the insularity argument.

Of course, informal cliques are rife in Carolingia, almost by design: the usual "Venn diagram" view of the Barony is essentially a collection of cliques. OTOH, those cliques are mostly relatively permeable, again supporting the "insularity promotes consideration" view.

I have to admit, the "random consideration" model is one that I've informally followed myself quite a bit over the years. For example, that's how I deal with the issue of who I give birthday/holiday/whatever presents to: I choose semi-randomly. The closer I am to someone, the higher the probability of getting something for them, but the decision is intentionally drawn just as much by sheer fortune of whether I see something that a particular person would like. (Regardless of whether or not there's a clear excuse for giving it right at the moment.)

That said, I think your article argues well that doing this in a more regular and principled way has a lot of merit. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Terribly interesting analysis; thanks. It's still not entirely clear to me why things would correlate as strongly as that, but I have to agree that it seems to be the effect in practice...